ETERNAL LIFE OR SPIRITUAL DEATH THROUGH LIFE AS IT IS UNDERSTOOD BY MANKIND IS A REAL AND EVER PRESENT DANGER FOR THOSE WHO ARE WALKING THE EARTH AND THOUGHT TO BE ALIVE ACCORDING TO HOW MOST PEOPLE VIEW LIFE! LIFE IS NOT WHAT MOST OF MANKIND THINKS IT IS AND IT IS NOT IN THE WORDS USED BY MANKIND AND UNDERSTOOD THE WAY MOST PHYSICAL BEINGS OF THIS WORLD UNDERSTAND THEM. THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE NATURAL HUMAN IS DEVELOPED THROUGH PHYSICAL SENSES LIKE SIGHT, TASTE, SMELL, AND TOUCH. TRUE FAITH IS SPIRITUAL AND SPIRITUAL FAITH IS DESCRIBED IN Hebrews 11:1-7 KJV AS:

[1] Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. [2] For by it the elders obtained a good report. [3] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. [4] By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. [5] By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. [6] But without faith it is impossible to please him : for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. [7] By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.(FAITH CANNOT BE SEEN, TASTED,HEARD, OR SMELLED BECAUSE IT IS A KEY OF THE SPIRIT REALM! ALL OF THE WORDS USED IN THE BIBLE MUST BE UNDERSTOOD IN LIGHT OF THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF GOD!)

 

Romans 4:5 KJV But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.ALSORomans 4:14 KJV For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

THIS NEXT VERSE IS NOT TO SAY PEOPLE CAN COMMIT FORNICATION AND OTHER SINS JUST BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY CAN AND THEY ARE BELIEVERS. A NUMBER OF VERSES SPEAK TO THIS RESULTING IN JESUS TELLING SUCH PEOPLE, “GO AWAY FROM ME, I NEVER KNEW YOU” THUS THEIR END IS THAT OF HELL AND DESTRUCTION. THE VERSE SPEAKS TO THOSE WHO JUDGE OTHERS HARSHLY AND BY OR WITH LEGALISTIC METHODS OF JUDGMENT. AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE THAT OF TWO VEGETARIANS. THE ONE USED THE BIBLE AND “THOU SHALT NOT KILL” TO TELL PEOPLE WHO EAT MEAT THEY ARE ALL GOING TO HELL ALONG WITH THOSE WHO GIVE MURDERERS THE DEATH SENTENCE. THE SECOND VEGETARIAN TELLS PEOPLE THAT EATING LIKE A VEGETARIAN IS HEALTHIER AND A PERSONAL PREFERENCE.THE SECOND ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO TRY THE DIET AND SEE FOR THEMSELVES BUT DOES NOT JUDGE THOSE WHO EAT MEAT OR THOSE WHO WORK FOR THE PRISON SYSTEM,NOR JURORS, WHO EXECUTE MURDERERS OR ISSUE A DEATH SENTENCE. THE FIRST WILL LIKELY HEAR JESUS TELL THEM TO GO AWAY WHILE THE SECOND WILL LIKELY HEAR JESUS TELL THEM THEY ARE WELCOME TO ENTER HEAVEN.

Romans 14:23 KJV And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

 

The Righteous WAY - VS - Ways of The World IS Spirit and Intent - VS - The Letter of The Law Without AGAPE’ Spirit Revealing ‘The Whole TRUTH And Nothing But The TRUTH.

The letter of the law uses "In Context” for the literal wording and paragraph without taking into account everything the Bible reveals about what was going on in the church at the time and the picture languages used when things were written, PLUS interpreting according to who and what THE author GOD is!People writing Bible verses were the tools used by God who is the author!THIS IS WHY JESUS SAID THE WORDS HE SPOKE WERE, AND ARE, SPIRIT!John6:63 KJV It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.THESE ARE AND WERE THE WORDS OF CHRIST.

 

Prayerfully this is and will be a teaching to help readers GET the revelation knowledge needed in order to walk with God the way Jesus did; the righteous way shown by The WAY!Jesus said, "The words I speak are spirit and they are life" because He was speaking about spiritual eternal life of abundance.THIS TEACHING IS FOCUSED ON REVEALING THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE WORDS OF GOD IN A WAY SO AS TO EQUIP BIBLEREADERS!

 

SO THAT PEOPLE DO NOT MISS-UNDERSTAND:

TERRY THACKER, BILL CLADE, AND YOURS TRUELY ALL COMMENT, POSE QUESTIONS, AND CAUSE DISCUSSION LINES, WITH CHALLENGES AT TIMES, TO GET THE WHOLE CHURCH DIGGING, DISCUSSING, AND MATURING (WITH AND IN AGAPE' LOVE). TERRY THACKER FELL PRAY TO THE RADIO HOST “TURN OFF THE VOICE OF OPPOSITION” AND WE ARE PRAYING FOR HIM TO GET RIGHT!

 

The whole church has areas of drastically needed correction and direction! I am turning the last lengthy discussion about Joel Osteen into a teaching because I think the end result is a GREAT EXAMPLE as to how we should discuss and comment, why we should discuss and comment, AND an area that NEEDS lots of discussion and comments! I have asked Bill and Terry to send every verse that comes to mind AND others are also invited. I will organize everything into a teaching that will PRAYERFULLY make a number of Biblical points clear. I AM ALSO PRAYERFUL that ALL the church leaders will read and use what gets posted on Facebook and our web site; and use it righteously! God Bless ALL who help further the truths exposed and shown in this teaching! In the mean time read the discussions. Learn, be inspired, grow, take a Biblical stand, and SHARE THE LOVE OF GOD!

 

A NEED FOR A "RULE OF GOD'S LAW" IN REGARDS TO HOW WE ARE TO STUDY AND TEACH HAS SURFACED IN THIS WORK, GOD HIMSELF TOLD ME "STUDY EVERYTHING MY WORD SAYS ABOUT A SUBJECT DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY UNTIL YOU FIND THE PICTURE THAT MAKES ALL THE VERSES FALL INTO AGREEMENT, TEACH ABOUT EACH VERSE CONSISTENT WITH THE PICTURE THAT IS 'THE LIGHT OF SCRIPTURE' AND CALL UPON OTHERS TO DO THE SAME. THE ABANDONMENT OF THIS CAUSED THE LOSS OF UNDERSTANDING AND POWER AMONG MY LEADERS AND CHILDREN! THIS HAS CAUSED MY WORD TO BE COMPROMISED. IT HAS DIVIDED AND SCATTERED MY SHEEP. MANY HAVE GONE ASTRAY AND THEY REJECT VERSES THEY DO NOT WANT TO WORK ON UNDERSTANDING THEN USE VERSES THEY WANT TO BELIEVE. IT IS FOR THIS REASON I DO NOT WANT YOU TO SEEK THE TEACHINGS OF OTHERS. I WILL TEACH YOU AND I WILL BRING TEACHERS TO YOU. I CALLED YOU TO BE MY APOSTLE AND PROPHET TO A LOST GENERATION AND WORLD. I WILL USE YOU TO PREPARE THE WAY OF THE LORD! IT IS FOR THIS PURPOSE THAT I PUT YOU ON THE EARTH."

 

There was a lot more. I was up and receiving from God starting the moment He hit me and going 24/7 for about five days and nights. I wrote prophecies and put them away so they could be 'time tested' later and it could be proven that they were written before events fulfilling each prophecy! I asked God to send a messenger, who did not know me and have the messenger confirm everything. The messenger arrived at my door that night and confirmed everything I asked God for in order for me to KNOW I was and am 100% spot on with who I am and what God wanted me to do. After that I spent about twenty months being taught by God almost 24/7. I went through the Bible cover to cover so many times that my second Bible was nearly wore out and falling apart.GOD TOLD ME TO‘NEVER TAKE ONE BIBLE VERSE OVER ANOTHER OR INSTEAD OF ANOTHER! ALL THE VERSES MUST AGREE IN THE UNDERSTANDING, LIGHT OF SCRIPTURE, OR YOU DO NOT YET HAVE THE RIGHTEOUS  UNDERSTANDING OF THE VERSE OR VERSES! THIS IS GOD'S LAW FOR STUDIES AND THE TEACHING OF HIS WORD!’

 

Without the application OF PROPER SPIRITUAL FOCUS AND PRAYER Peter rebuked Jesus and tried to keep Him from going to the cross and Judas betrayed Him. They were standing on "A King of the Jews is born and He will save His people. Immanuel (God with us), the Messiah is here." Peter even said Jesus was and is CHRIST THE MESSIAH then immediately tried to keep the Messiah from doing what HAD TO BE DONE. Peter went from being in the Spirit of the Lord to being in his carnal mind and error. Judas betrayed Jesus because he was too stubborn to get out of his carnal mind! DO NOT BETRAY JESUS! STUDY THE WAY I STUDIED AND LEARN THE WAY I TEACH. THE WORDS I TEACH ARE SPIRIT. THEY ARE TO BRING THE BODY OF CHRIST TOGETHER AND PREPARE FOR HIS COMING! THEY AGREE WITH "THE WHOLE WORD OF GOD HOLY AND HOLY TRUE!" IT IS TIME FOR THE BELIEVERS TO MATURE IN UNDERSTANDING!

 

I will post and write what we all must keep in our heart, mind, and spirit as we go through this 'lesson discussion' and prayerfully learn and grow in The Lord".

Romans 3:23-26 KJV [23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; [24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: [25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; [26] To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 5:12 KJV Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Ezekiel 33:31 KJV And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.

Psalm 32:1 KJV Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

 

CHRIST SAID: "Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little." Luke 7:47 KJV

 

I NOTICED MORE GUIDE VERSES APPEAR TO BE NEEDED SO HERE THEY ARE:

Philippians 4:5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. KJV

 

THE TERM "moderation" IS DEFINED IN STRONG'S CONCORDANCE AS:

"from 1909 and 1503; appropriate, i.e. (by implication) mild:--gentle, moderation, patient."

"a primary preposition; properly, meaning superimposition (of time, place, order, etc.), as a relation of distribution (with the genitive case), i.e. over, upon, etc.; of rest (with the dative case) at, on, etc.; of direction (with the accusative case) towards, upon, etc.:--about (the times), above, after, against, among, as long as (touching), at, beside, X have charge of, (be-, (where-))fore, in (a place, as much as, the time of, -to), (because) of, (up-)on (behalf of), over, (by, for) the space of, through(-out), (un-)to(-ward), with. In compounds it retains essentially the same import, at, upon, etc. (literally or figuratively)."

We get the English translation from the same roots and it is properly defined as 'not extreme, controls moderately regulating and preventing too much and too little.'

 

EXTREMES DIVIDE AND SCATTER THE CHILDREN OF GOD AND JESUS SAID:

AT Luke 11:23, "He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth." KJV

JESUS ALSO SAID: AT Mark 3:24-25,“And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. [25] And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.” KJV

SIMPLY SAID, ‘STOP calling people you simply disagree with seed of the devil or anti CHRIST and false prophet when YOUR stand is not guaranteed solid Bible interpreted according to the Spirit and intent ACHIEVED BY EVERY applicable verse and LOVE!When you judge what you judge apply the LOVE of God WITH the GRACE of God! Be inclusive of ALL the Bible verses that apply both directly and remotely for the “picture” God wants us all to KNOW!

 

WE MUST DO THINGS IN A WAY SO AS TO CORRECT AND BRING UNITY AS WE DO WHAT WE MUST DO! WHEN WE HAVE DONE THIS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY; “THE BATTLE BELONGS TO THE LORD. APOSTLE Paul posed the following question to those who were being rebellious and divisive due to the lack of AGAPE' LOVE. 1 Corinthians 1:13“Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?”(THIS WAS DUE TO THE CLAIMS OF BELIEVERS AND THEIR ARGUMENTS AS TO WHO HAD THE RIGHT THEOLOGY! ONE WOULD FOLLOW THIS LEADER AND ONE FOLLOWED THAT LEADER. THIS IS THE CHAPTER IN WHICH PAUL REBUKED "CONTEXT" THAT RESULTED IN DEAD WORDS INSTEAD OF WORDS THAT BREED LIFE AND UNITY THROUGH AGAPE' LOVE.)

 

FOR THE NEXT GUIDE VERSE I WILL USE NKJV BECAUSE THE KEY WORD IS WRONG IN KJV AND PROPERLY TRANSLATED IN NKJV. IN 1 CORINTHIANS 13:2 PAUL MADE IT CLEAR WHEN HE SAID, "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing." THE SPIRIT OF AGAPE' LOVE CLARIFIES THE "CONTEXT"! SAUL of Tarsus took CHRISTIANS to slaughter because he was stuck in "context" according to the written word with no "spirit and intent" for LIFE. IT TOOK AN EXPERIENCE WITH CHRIST TO OVERCOME THE INTELLECT AND CONTROL OF THE NATURAL MAN! AFTER Jesus put AGAPE' in SAUL he became Apostle Paul and among the thirteen books of the New Testament written by Paul being obedient to God; Apostle Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 13 about the importance of AGAPE'! THIS WAS SO THAT others might find this key!Look at the mistakes Peter made when he did not apply the "spirit and intent" for the letter of the words to be made alive. The word "quickeneth" means make alive. John 6:63 KJV It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (THESE ARE THE WORDS OF CHRIST)

 

IF YOU ARE A SHEEP TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE FIVE CHURCH OFFICES, ONE OF THE POSITIONS OF SERVICE, LIKE DEACON, OR TALKING ABOUT OTHER SHEEP; THE NEXT VERSE IS FOR YOU! IT IS ALSO FOR OFFICES AND POSITIONS OF SERVICE DEALING WITH THE OFFICES EQUAL TO OR HIGHER THAN YOUR OFFICE OR POSITION OF SERVICE!

Matthew 7:3-5 KJV[3] And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? [4] Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? [5] Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.THE TERM "MOTE" IS G2595 IN THE LATEST STRONG'S CONCORDANCE AND IT IS DEFINED AS "DRY TWIG OR STRAW". THE TERM "BEAM" IS G1385 IN STRONG'S. IT IS A "BEAM OR STICK OF WOOD". This goes along with 'working out YOUR salvation'. This does not instruct us to be silent but it does show us we need to find, know, and use EVERY Bible verse about the subject with RESPECT and AGAPE' LOVE APPLIED IN OUR INTERPRETATION, USE OF THE KNOWLEDGE, AND APPROACH TO WHAT WE FEEL MUST BE DONE. THE NEXT WORD TELLS US TO GO TO OUR BROTHER OR SISTER!

 

Matthew 18:15-17 KJV[15] Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. [16] But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. [17] And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. THIS GOES WITH: James 5:9 KJV[9] Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. ("Grudge" is STRONG'S G4727 meaning to 'be in straus and murmur' and it shows not to do this so much as under your breath and inaudible! If it is not to be done at that low of a level and not understandable then it is definitely NOT to be done publicly or in any ministry setting. It is simply NOT TO BE DONE AT ALL!)

 

THERE IS NO BIBLICAL INSTRUCTION OR GROUNDS FOR CALLING A PERSON "FALSE PROPHET" WHEN IT IS ONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE A CHRISTIAN AND THEY HAVE NOT PROPHESIED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD WITH WHAT WAS SAID PROVEN FALSE!!! THE INSTRUCTION IS FOR US TO HANDLE THINGS "PRIVATELY" AND NOT PUBLICLY IN A CHURCH OR IN THE MEDIA. COMMENTS AND ACCUSATIONS AGAINST OTHER MINISTRIES HURT THE CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN MINISTERED TO BY THAT MINISTRY AND THIS IS THE MAIN TOOL USED BY THE DEVIL TO DRIVE PEOPLE OUT OF THE CHURCH. THE OTHER MAIN TOOL OF SATAN IS GETTING PEOPLE TO DENY THE POWER OF GOD AND CLAIM GOD DOES NOT MOVE THAT WAY ANY MORE! BOTH OF THESE AREAS ARE GRIEVOUS SINS AGAINST GOD! THESE PEOPLE CRUCIFY CHRIST AGAIN AND AGAIN!

 

NOW WE ADD WORKS TO OUR FAITH:

 

Joel Osteen was being interviewed by promiscuous and gay news reporters, many of whom are now in control of media, and his Biblical stand on homosexuality was under attack. Unfortunately Joel did not fair well when it comes to being Biblically strong and wise in his answers. THAT is something that can happen to anyone; especially their first time in a situation. The following for comments, against comments, and let us understand with AGAPE' applied comments and conversation; brought up many things needing to be understood by ALL CHRISTIANS. I decided to make a lesson out of it because a number of good points were brought up.The interview can be seen at:

http://www.deonvsearth.com/joel-osteen-interview-on-homosexuality-and-bible-debate/

 

The Following is exerts from the FACEBOOK THREAD:

When I first saw the complaint I wrote:

I think that was a youthful mistake. I made a few when I was a student Apostle and Prophet. I learned and had to learn and mature before God sent messengers to tell me I graduated and should go in the power and authority. I wanted to be sure there so I asked for and got three events with clear, to the point, words from God. At one time I worked with and for the devil's instruments high in government. Where would I be if any of those lack of knowledge or youthful mistakes branded me today. Error - yes, lack of Biblical strength - yes, pray Joel learns and is STRONG and BIBLICAL in the immediate and distant future - yes. Tell him to wake up and be strong - yes ... Go in the direction of condemnation or condemn him - no. Get the picture? God Bless and I LOVE THE DIALOG! Prayerfully we will get others to see the whole picture and THAT includes Joel. We also need to understand he was under heavy attack and surrounded by doubters. Jesus put doubters out and or got away from them THEN did miracles. He did NO miracles in His home town save heal a few sick ... It was "because of the doubt". Joel should call for a prayer team to be with him and have more praying for him when he goes to something like that. THEN HE SHOULD FAST AND PRAY UNTIL GOD SAYS 'IT IS FINISHED'. We need to PRAY FOR JOEL in these areas. :-)

 

A back and forth conversation took place with two brethren and others chimed in at times.

 

A note for John's First comment: the Bible reveals the entire area related to salvation and the loss of salvation. One area IS if a homosexual does not turn from their sin and God turns them over to reprobate. At that point it is clear there will be no salvation for that person. What is not totally clear is if the homosexual ever REALLY accepted Jesus into their heart. It is most likely they voiced it but did not do it. THIS is in light of the five conditions that must be met in order for a person to 'lose' or 'give up' their salvation. If you cannot find the two areas about salvation and the loss of salvation in your Bible let me know and I will post them. In area two, like Billy Graham, I believe the opening must be there in order to agree with "choice" and "servant". We WERE given choice on the cross and no power in heaven or earth can take it away.

 

We ARE a servant, which is to say, "a free will slave". I cannot see a person having experienced heaven and all that heaven has to offer thus mature in heavenly things AND knowing what hell is; THEN saying no to heaven and yes to hell with full awareness of what they are doing. IT IS WHAT I CALL "INTERNAL ETERNAL SECURITY". IF you are TRULY saved and want to stay saved then you will stay saved.

 

As to the "spiritual children" it is true the babes and the wounded need a soft touch, and this may well be the primary focus of the ministry of Joel. Many who are down need encouragement. IT IS ALSO TRUE that they have a tendency to STAY at that point and in that place. We need constant encouragement and challenges for those brethren to get out and get going - in short grow up and go forth.

 

MANY preachers and teachers of today NEED more balance and completeness in their output.

Terry is not self righteous or hard nosed. He is performing his calling and learning as he goes. His growth over the past three years has been nothing short of phenomenal. He IS still growing, as are we all. I have been called a giant among warriors and yet I AM growing every day, every hour, every minute. Line upon line and precept upon precept.

 

(The Facebook THREAD continues)

 

The back and forth discussion of the two of you, combined with fasting and prayer, is GREAT for both of you and for readers who also read, fast, and pray. I will go through this and help the 'understanding' in any way I can. That said I do not want to be or appear to be a busybody or butinski. May God bless both of you in receiving what He wants each to receive. As you peacefully and 'rightly divide the WORD of God' remember to interpret each verse in light of the whole word - everything the word lets us know about the subject of discussion. Also remember the fact that Greek and Hebrew were and are picture languages. In some of the new claims as to the word used in original texts; the real word has been changed. Older is better most of the time. Both old and new must be researched all the way back to the first root word. Then it takes research as to what was going on when it was written AND the literal, type of, and symbol of must be found and taken into account. The church started failing in all of this about 70AD. GOD BLESS your journey. Both balance - 'a heart for God and a heart for the people'. Remember when King SAUL sacrificed the ox for the sake of the people; he fell under the curse. When SAUL of Tarsus was hard on the children of God; GOD CHANGED HIM. :-)

(Facebook THREAD END)

 

On Terry' Thacker’s comment, I would not call Joel a coward AND I would NEVER go to the length of his Pastor friend who called Joel Osteen a false prophet; but I would say Brother Joel erred in not referring to the Bible condemnation of Homosexuality and then not telling "gay" people that “we and Jesus LOVE them and, therefore, we are duty bound and LOVE obligated to warn them! We MUST try to get them to turn away from eternal danger!” I would also say Joel Osteen is young in this battle and he needs mentoring. THIS IS ONE of the many reasons I am on my Facebook site trying to give all ministers and ministries material from my Father and letting ALL of you know you are FREE TO USE what I post and write without obligation to me. YOUR obligation is to God our Father AND Creator! OBEY HIS EVERY WORD! “Obedience is better than sacrifice and rebellion is as the SIN OF WITCHCRAFT!” To say a person is the opposite sex in the wrong body IS REBELLION AGAINST GOD! Such people are ALSO GUILTY OF LIBEL AND SLANDER AGAINST GOD! GOD HAS NEVER MADE A MISTAKE AND HE NEVER WILL! I TELL THE WHOLE WORLD THIS BECAUSE I LOVE EVERYBODY THE SAME WAY GOD LOVES EVERYBODY! :-)

 

Men who have a female brain and thought process were supposed to be raised to live like a man but help other men understand women better so they can be better husbands and boyfriends. The women who have a male brain and thought process were supposed to be raised to live like a woman and help other women understand men so they can be better wives and girl friends. They were put here to be gender bridges. BECAUSE the church fell into the limitations trap of Satan; the blind have been leading the blind and teachers have fallen away from the faith. It is time for restoration and order!

 

ALL pure "once saved always saved" need to remember that God will not author confusion nor will He waste words. We have "choice" and what this means, in order to fit the "overall picture", is as follows:

We have the five conditions for losing your salvation found in with the first three verses showing this is a call to more mature thinking and prayer remembering “CHOICE” was FREELY GIVEN to us on the cross and made a part of the NEW BLOOD COVENANT! THAT MEANS NO POWER IN HEAVEN OR UNDER THE EARTH CAN “TAKE” OR NULLIFY OUR CHOICE! “A SERVANT IS A FREE WILL SLAVE WHO HAS THE CHOICE TO SAY NO OR WALK AWAY” thus the servant CHOOSES to serve and obey the Master! The master in turn loves such a servant. The next three verses show we must KNOW what we are doing in order to GIVE UP AND WALK AWAY FROM OUR LORD AND MASTER JESUS THE CHRIST! READ AND UNDERSTAND Hebrews 6:1-6 KJV

“[1] Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, [2] Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. [3] And this will we do, if God permit. [4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” I cannot see anybody doing THAT so I prayed and God gave me the proper ‘classification’ for this picture! It IS INTERNAL ETERNAL SALVATION! As long as I TRULY want to stay saved I WILL STAY SAVED! This does NOT mean a person can live like a devil and still go to heaven!

We have the verses about homosexuality and being turned over to a reprobate found in Romans 1:18-32 KJV and CLEARLY stated IF a person seeks truth! Read the verses I will put here and REPENT if they apply to you!

“[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; [19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. [20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: [21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. [22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, [23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things. [24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: [25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. [26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: [27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. [28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; [29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, [30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: [32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

We have the verses with Jesus telling all what it means to“Blaspheme the Holy Spirit”, and showing it can AND WILL open the door for trouble in the ministry and life of believers. This does not tell us we will become reprobate but it DOES tell us we will NOT be forgiven of this IF we do it. THAT MEANS the door is open for suffering to hit us because there is a “flaw in the armor of our righteousness”. There is a spot in the blood that covers us! This is shown at Luke 12:10 and at Matthew 12:31-32 KJV. Read the verses in Matthew and quoted here by me! These tie intoMatthew 8:12 KJV.

“[31] Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. [32] And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.”

Matthew 8:12 KJV“But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

SHOWING HOW these things happen; we have the seeds on stony ground, thin soil, good soil choked by weeds - the lesson IN THE WORDS OF CHRIST showing some hard headed rejected the word of God and did not receive what was offered, some heard and received but did not put their trust/faith in Christ and they burnt out (were lost), some heard and received but did not put their trust/faith in CHRIST and FOCUS on him SO the cares of the world killed them (they were lost) – this ALSO APPLIES to the verse with those saying they cast out Devils in the name of Jesus and HE SAYS "Go away from me I never knew you"! These verses are to be interpreted “in the light of how‘the spirit and intent’ of "the sea of forgetfulness" works. More to study! God Bless :-)Find and read all about this at Matthew 13:3-9 and Matthew 13:18-32! Then read Matthew 7:22-23.

 

At one time I captured and trained chipmunks. I tied a string around their neck loose enough for safety and long enough they could get down on the ground and go about three feet. They spent four to six weeks living in my pocket and on my person. After I took the string off they stayed in that same range of limitation. Satan has used various tools and spirits to do the same thing to the church so that REAL understanding of the Bible has been drastically limited.

 

A BIG KEY NEEDED, FOR PROPER INTERPRETATION, IS IN GETTING THE FULLNESS OF THE ONE BAPTISM IN THREE PARTS LIKE MAN HAVING THREE PARTS (FLESH, SOUL, AND SPIRIT) - GOD IN THREE PARTS (FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT)THESE ARE AT TIMES ALL THREE EXPERIENCED AT ONE TIME, OR ONE OR TWO AT FIRST WITH ONE OR TWO EXPERIENCED LATER. WE CAN REFER TO THEM IN OUR TEACHINGS AND TESTIMONIES BUT THEY ARE NOT FULLY UNDERSTOOD UNTIL AND UNLESS THEY ARE EXPERIENCED IN TRUTH AND IN SPIRIT!Many things are three that are one... Egg - shell, yoke, and white.... Then there is our sun - planet, warmth, and light. One Baptism is complete when you have salvation tied in with water Baptism for repentance and remission of sin, Holy Spirit Baptism for the gifts of the Spirit which are the weapons of our spiritual warfare, AND the "Fire" mentioned by John the Baptist and Jesus. The "Fire" is the AGAPE' LOVE of God and the LOVE of God is described as “an all consuming fire”. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN TRULY OBEY THE FIRST AND SECOND COMMANDMENT! The LOVE that God IS must consume us completely! THIS is our connection to the Father the way Jesus was connected so we can get every word and deed to say and do from the Father WHO WILL DO IT! THAT is how Jesus did what He did, AND HE TOLD US SO!READ ALL ABOUT IT and FREELY RECEIVE; THEN DO IT! :-)

 

“I believe Joel Osteen is a sincere preacher and is after the same results as other preachers, leading souls to Christ. I just think he goes about it in a different way.” (This was a well said statement from another reader. EVERY person WILL make mistakes! God PICKS/CHOOSES the five offices according to the heart, ability/teachability, and future our GOD ALREADY KNEW BEFORE TIME WAS CREATED!READ ABOUT IT! Romans 8:29-39 KJV

“[29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. [30] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. [31] What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? [32] He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? [33] Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. [34] Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. [35] Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? [36] As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. [37] Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. [38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

 

(THESE COMMENTS,from the Facebook feed, came from one personally "locked on and in” the way everybody should be; but he is still young and growing.) “Noel, there is no such thing as eternal security. The Bible, in context, does not teach that.” THIS YOUNGSTER IN CHRIST GOES ASTRAY BY THE MISUSES OF ENGLISH AND “CONTEXT” WITHOUT THE APPLICATION OF THE ORIGINAL PICTURE LANGUAGES USED; THE CHARACTER OF WHO AND WHAT GOD IS BEING UNDERSTOOD AND APPLIED; THERE WAS NO KNOWLEDGE, OR APPLICATION OF KNOWLEDGE, OF THE HISTORY AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT THE EVENT, AND THERE IS “NO AGAPE’ BAPTISM EVIDENCE”! Thus he said, “Noel, I think coward is tame compared to some of the names Jesus used like hypocrite, Vipers and dogs.” PRAY FOR TERRY THACKER TO TRULY BE BAPTIZED IN AND WITH AGAPE’ LOVE! PRAY FOR THIS TO HAPPEN TO EVERY MEMBER OF THE BODY OF CHRIST!

 

If you read and understand ALL of what I wrote you should see I agree there is no "eternal security" and I clarify THE FACT THAT “the classification of the understanding has been labelled in error” and it should be recognized as "internal eternal security" explained by “so long as you TRULY got saved and you want to stay saved; you WILL stay saved”! If I want to stay saved and I continue in my path till I stand with Jesus and He says well done; at that point I AM eternally secure because it was what I wanted, what He gave me, and what I held fast till He came for me; to take me home! THAT IS "INTERNAL ETERNAL SECURITY". Now I am chuckling thinking about you reading and understanding... he he he… THAT WILL anger the devil no end!

 

Jesus used hard names against those who KNEW better and maliciously did and said what they did and said anyway. John the Baptist did the same for the same reasons! I have experienced all sides of this issue. I was NOT a coward, snake, viper, hypocrite, or anything evil or negative when I erred. I was a brainwashed and deceived Prodigal son! Peter was not any of those when he erred. We must separate error, intentional error, and violation then apply AGAPE’ every time, Without those separations taken into account AND AGAPE’ applied every time, then fervent intensive prayer added to YOUR righteousness; you can find yourself hurting an anointed of God or even “one of the least” of His children; and thus committing grievous error. Not a thing to risk.

 

READ WHAT GOD LETS US KNOW IN THESE AREAS!1 Chronicles 16:21-34 KJV

“[21] He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes, [22] Saying , Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm. [23] Sing unto the Lord , all the earth; shew forth from day to day his salvation. [24] Declare his glory among the heathen; his marvellous works among all nations. [25] For great is the Lord , and greatly to be praised: he also is to be feared above all gods. [26] For all the gods of the people are idols: but the Lord made the heavens. [27] Glory and honour are in his presence; strength and gladness are in his place. [28] Give unto the Lord , ye kindreds of the people, give unto the Lord glory and strength. [29] Give unto the Lord the glory due unto his name: bring an offering, and come before him: worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness. [30] Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. [31] Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let men say among the nations, The Lord reigneth. [32] Let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof: let the fields rejoice, and all that is therein. [33] Then shall the trees of the wood sing out at the presence of the Lord , because he cometh to judge the earth. [34] O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever.” THIS IS ALSO BACKED UP IN PSALMS 105:13-15!

 

THEN THERE IS THE WARNING ABOUT HURTING ONE OF THE LEAST OF HIS CHILDREN AND I KNOW OF NO PERSON WHO HAS PERFECT DISCERNMENT OR JUDGEMENT IN THIS AREA! BECAUSE YOU CAN OFFEND ONE OF HIS SPIRITUAL LITTLE CHILDREN AS WELL AS A PHYSICAL LITTLE CHILD; THIS IS COVERED AT MARK 9:42, LUKE 17:2 AND IN Matthew 18:6 KJV! “[6] But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

 

READ AND UNDERSTAND Luke 12:42-48 KJV:

“[42] And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? [43] Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. [44] Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. [45] But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; [46] The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him , and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. [47] And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself , neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes . [48] But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.” THESE ARE THE WORDS OF JESUS THE CHRIST, EMANUEL!

 

Remember the verse about to whom more is given more is required then think about me compared to a new born Christian. I am like the Dean of the University and Jesus is CEO and Owner of the University. MUCH is required of me and very little is required of the new preacher or the baby Christian. The baby MUST go through toilet training so a stink or vomit from time to time is tolerated with love and encouragement. Then there is more training for eating, dressing, and bathing; but IT IS done for the baby with love AND for a season. THE BABY IS ENCOURAGED TO LEARN, GROW, AND MATURE IN WISDOM! A baby who is constantly told they are no good turns out to BE no good. In that case the baby is the product of the parent. THIS IS HOW AND WHY God had servants write: Exodus 20:5 and 34:7, Numbers 14:18,and Deuteronomy 5:9, ALL dealing with the fact that the sins of the natural father ARE passed down.Deuteronomy 5:9 KJV“Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,”– it is a ‘done deal’ at Jeremiah 32:18 KJV “Thou shewest loving kindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the Lord of hosts, is his name,”. Then there is a change process and an influence shown by other verses revealing the spirit and intent of these first ‘verses of warning’.“Iniquity is Strong’s H5771or oavown (2 Kings 7:9; Psalm 51:5 (7)) {aw-vone'}; from 5753; DEFINITION: perversity, i.e. (moral) evil:--fault, iniquity, mischief, punishment (of iniquity), sin.

 

WHEN A SON LOOKED NOT TO HIS NATURAL EARTHLY FATHER BUT RATHER HE LOOKED TO OUR HEAVENLY FATHER AND DID WHAT WAS RIGHT IN THE EYES OF THE LORD; THE MAN WAS BLESSED AND OTHERS,WHO KNEW HIS DAD,WERE ANGRY AND QUESTIONING GOD’S WILL. GOD HAD HIS PROPHET ANSWER THEM!

 

Ezekiel 18:19 KJV Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.20The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

 

IF MY CHILDREN GO THE WAY OF THE WORLD AND SIN AGAINST GOD THEN THEY WILL INHERIT THE FRUIT OF THEIR SINS. IF THEY FOLLOW AFTER RIGHTEOUSNESS THEN THE INHERITANCE OF MY RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL BE THEIR REWARD AND INHERITANCE ALSO! THIS IS WHY WE ARE INSTRUCTED TO RAISE A CHILD IN THE WAY THE CHILD SHOULD GO!Proverbs 22:6 KJV Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

 

By earthly standards I departed from the way my Heavenly Father raised me up. By HIS “spirit and intent’ I DID NOT DEPART because Hethew my earthly sin filled and earthly waisted years into the sea of forgetfulness and it is remembered no more by Him. He took what I learned and turned it into things I can teach others to help them and glorify the name of the Lord!THROUGH CHRIST I WAS RESTORED AND IT IS THROUGH CHRIST THAT WE RECEIVE A NEW AND RIGHTEOUS FATHER WHO GIVES US A HOLY AND BLESSED INHERITANCE! We MUST “cut soul ties with all who are the earthly family and friends, then put them on the alter of God for HIS WILL to be done!

 

Also remember,  'Who has much forgiven will LOVE much'. I CAN AND DO ATTEST TO THAT FACT! IF ANY HUMAN EVER DESERVED HELL IT IS ME, THE PRODIGAL SON! Instead of hell I was forgiven, delivered, empowered, and placed in a seat of authority. I AM 'the least esteemed who should judge'. I HAVE BEEN THERE DONE THAT. I KNOW the battles and influences as well as the answer and path to follow for victory. I once asked the Lord why He chose me and I went through everything. He told me it was because of my heart and LOVE FOR GOD that He chose me AND He knew I would make the right choices and decisions when it was time to do so. He let me go through everything because a guide MUST travel the path in order to guide others down or through the area that must be crossed or traveled. He gave me complete and perfect understanding like Luke and Paul. I LOVE GOD MORE THAN WORDS CAN SAY AND I KNOW I WILL ONE DAY LAY DOWN MY LIFE FOR HIM AND THE SAKE OF THE GOSPEL! I have known it as a child of six or seven, forgot it as a prodigal son, and remembered it again on September 29, 1979 with many words of confirmation from prophets who did not know me prior to delivery of God's word to me. You can take what I teach to the bank but I say check it out anyway. I love it! God Bless your adventure! KEEP growing and maturing. You ARE called AND chosen to be powerful and mighty while others are called to be sheep. There IS a difference. I was called and chosen to be a shepherd to the shepherds as well as to the sheep. I am "out there" all the time. I do and say what I do and say WITH decades of learning and experience; then the rest is in the hands of the Lord. I rest in Him and wait for orders. It has been 24/7 from that September day to this; AND I LOVE IT!

 

THIS PREFACE IS TO ENFORCE AND SHOW THE PRIORITY OF LEARNING, KNOWING, AND TEACHING “THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF A GOD”, WHO IS AGAPE’ LOVE,FOR EVERY VERSE HE WANTS US TO TRULY KNOW AS WE ARE KNOWN!

 

SPIRIT AND INTENT TEACHING PART ONE:

 

OUR GUIDE THAT SETTLES EVERY DIFFERENCE IS THE BIBLE AND EVERYTHING IT LETS US KNOW ABOUT EVERY SUBJECT SO NOW I WILL WRITE AND POST SOME RELEVANT VERSES FROM THE BIBLE:

 

The Facebook discussion,that resulted in this teaching, is a good example of key points Jesus spoke of in Luke 12:42-59 KJV–SO READ IT.

“[42] And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? [43] Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. [44] Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. [45] But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; [46] The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him , and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. [47] And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself , neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. [48] But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. [49] I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? [50] But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! [51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: [52] For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. [53] The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. [54] And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is. [55] And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass. [56] Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time? [57] Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right? [58] When thou goest with thine adversary to the magistrate, as thou art in the way, give diligence that thou mayest be delivered from him; lest he hale thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and the officer cast thee into prison. [59] I tell thee, thou shalt not depart thence, till thou hast paid the very last mite.”

 

GOD KNOWS OUR EVERY THOUGHT AND ACTION! IF WE STAY FAITHFUL WITH A PURE HEART; OUR REWARD HERE ON EARTH AND IN HEAVEN IS SEALED! FOR BEST RESULTS GOD LET US KNOW‘STORE UP YOUR TREASURES IN HEAVEN’ AND HE, JESUS THE CHRIST ALSO TELLS US WHYAT Matthew 6:20 KJV “But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:”(JESUS THE CHRIST GAVE US INSTRUCTIONS TO FURTHER GUIDE AND PROTECT US AT:)

“[21] For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. [22] The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. [23] But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! [24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. [25] Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?”

 

BILL CLADE AND I CO-HOSTED "THE BIBLE MECHANIC" ON AMERICAN VOICE RADIO. WE KNEW EACH OTHER THROUGH MINISTRY WORKS FOR DECADES AND WE HAVE SEEN SEVERAL PEOPLE FALL TO THE SNARES OF SATAN! I TOLD BILL ABOUT THE BAPTISM IN, OF, AND WITH AGAPE’ LOVE FROM OUR FATHER. I PRAYED FOR BILL TO GET NEW ARTERIES AND VALVES IN HIS HEART WITH THREE STINTS. BILL GOT THEM AND HE HAS THE MEDICAL EVIDENCE! BILL LEARNED, BLOSSOMED, ANDBILL POSTED THE FOLLOWING:

 

(Facebook THREAD continues)

"Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." [2 Tim.3:7] Why would Paul write to Timothy such a statement, as well as these words; "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." [2 Tim 3:5] While the "context" can and does apply to the society and culture of America today, the TRUTHFUL answers will NEVER be found in a "context", an interpretation, or even various translations of the Bible. [CF. 2 Tim. 2:15 with 2Tim 3:16] BE ADVISED: The Bible IS NOT a novel, therefore don't read it as a novel; that is something the LORD "told" me decades ago. REMEMBER, Paul was a learned individual but it took a very specific type of encounter for Paul to "get it", i.e. what he wrote to the individual called Timothy. As Noel alluded to, there is more than one type of encounter with regards to the CREATOR and "His Systems". Incidentally, 2 Tim. 3:7 also applies to "politics", not just the common perception and understanding of "religion".

 

MY REPLY TO THE POST WAS AND IS: Well said. This is why I often refer to the picture portrayed by EVERYTHING the Bible lets us know about a subject and the fact that Greek and Hebrew are "picture" languages. In many verses you need a paragraph and at time a page or two in order to portray the "picture" that is expressed in the key words. There are often multiple pictures available and ALL being right. It depends on the "context" of the words and verse being studied as well as the association of the other verses that apply. This is a big part of the structure that DEVELOPED "A LIVING WORD" able to "feed" so many different parts of ONE BODY! This is also why the cookie cutter mold will NOT work! THIS is also why I am developing THIS into a demonstrated teaching.

 

(Inserted note from author)

WE MUST MASTER THIS PROCESS IN ORDER TO "COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH" AND "SEE GOD" (comprehend God) IN A CLEAR ENOUGH WAY SO AS TO HAVE HIM GLORIFIED BY OUR FAITH AND WORKS. We are not JUSTIFIED by our WORKS but HE IS GLORIFIED by our FAITH WITH WORKS. LIKE WHAT I TEACH FROM THE LORD 'GOD MUST KNOW YOU AND YOU MUST KNOW GOD'. THEN YOU WILL NOT BE ONE OF THEMATTHEW 8:12 CHILDREN OF GOD PUT IN THE OUTER DARKNESS WEEPING AND GNASHING YOUR TEETH. INSTEAD, GOD WILL GIVE YOU A 'WELCOME HOME'.

 

(Inserted note from author.)

As Terry, a friend of his, and his preacher friend were calling Joel Osteen names like “false prophet” and more; they were trying to claim they were ‘reproving false doctrine’ but their comments did not show ALL the verses that apply and they did NOT address the doctrinal teaching instead of the man.

 

(THE FACEBOOK THREAD CONTINUED:)

 

Noel said: You said "Go in the direction of condemnation or condemn him” - no.  “Get the picture?" 

 

Terry said: No I do not. Where in scripture, as a whole, does it say that a Christian is to not condemn false doctrine and reprove it?

Many including me and quite a few I know have wrote him letters trying to convince him to straighten up and preach against gay lifestyles and he refuses. So the next step is to warn the people and condemn his doctrine, right? Isn't that what Paul told the Romans to do? And other places?

 

Noel said: In order to reprove false doctrine rather than condemn, or even appear to condemn, the difference is in the words we use. I used and use the words 'he erred' and take the approach of correction along those lines. I said, in one of my first writings, I do not think you are self righteous, which would be an automatic condemnation approach, yet I understand how it appears. Remember our Biblical orders to 'abstain from the appearance of evil'. For any of the brethren to condemn another brother or sister would be evil. I am trying to get everyone to understand the 'reprove false doctrine' process and get out of what has long "appeared to be" condemnation. More in a bit.(NOTE: When Terry and others tried to tell Joel what to preach, they erred because they can only share what is written about being ‘gay’. Then they need to leave it to God when it comes to what Joel preaches. Paul wrote what God says about the subject but he NEVER said every preacher MUST preach what Paul wrote! EVERY PREACHER must pray and preach what God reveals and puts in their heart and mouth!)

 

Noel Said: Part of what would help the "appearance" and effectiveness of what I KNOW you are trying to do would have been to include the fact that you and others have written many letters to Joel Osteen and reveal what he was toldby helpers. THEN address the error furthered by action and representation or the lack of action and representation. AFTER that, "encourage" a change of direction. AFTER that, comes the challenge. WE ALL need to constantly do better and work on improvement in this area! I HAVE missed a step or two there before too. (I need a hundred helpers and I have me, a web helper, a ministry board, a statutory agent, and a CPA specialist.) THIS IS WHY I LOVE THESE DISCUSSIONS, WITH AGAPE' APPLIED, AS WE GET THE "WHOLE PICTURE" OUT THERE! Now people know Joel received, or should have received, letters. PRAYERFULLY, they were written the right (righteous) way.(NOTE: Joel did a GOD INSPIRED GREAT MESSAGE SHORTLY AFTER THESE DISCUSSIONS and we invited him to post it plus Bill Clade is posting a link to it or he will post the program! THIS FACT PROVES what I was telling these brethren who mean well but are in error.)

 

THE ONLY OTHER AREA I SEE is terms used. Our words release spirits or attitudes. We want to achieve the right spirit or attitude. THIS requires prayerfully "selectively" choosing the words we use. I often write a letter of "reproving" something then pray about it for a day or two. Then I read it as though it was sent to me and for me. I change areas where I do not feel the right reaction or if it may "appear" to be wrongly understood. At times I will preface that with 'I am not going to say' or 'I want you to know my next statement is not to say' and other such tools to portray "the spirit and intent" of what needs to be accomplished. When I fail, or appear to fail, I apologize and try to correct the spirit and intent understood or miss-understood by the other person or people. OUR pride IS what makes us "defend" instead of apologize and clarify. MY MATERIAL IS OFFERED IN THE SPIRIT OF UNDERSTANDING, UNITY, AND THE LOVE (AGAPE') OF GOD FOR ALL WHO READ TO LEARN AND COME TOGETHER.

 

THAT SAID, everybody SHOULD write Joel and encourage him to STAND on the Bible and give him the areas, in the Bible, that will help him. Then add our heart and spirit in a gentle and loving way. Let him know the BAD effects and how HE CAN stand and be loving in his stand. BECAUSE WE LOVE HOMOSEXUALS IT IS OUR DUTY TO WARN THEM ABOUT THE MORTAL DANGER THEY ARE IN! GOD LOVES HOMOSEXUALS BUT HATES THEIR SIN AND SO DO WE WHO SERVE GOD. GET the "spirit and intent" Terry IS trying to accomplish and further what I ALSO agree with, SO THAT we can REVERSE THE CURSE.

 

Homosexuals have always claimed to be passive. IN TRUTH there has NEVER BEEN a more aggressive movement. It IS the same movement that resulted in the destruction of Sodom, Gomorrah, the Roman Empire, and more. Evidence of sex without boundaries HAS BEEN FOUND in ALL of the old empires that fell and cities destroyed! GOD HATES THAT BEHAVIOR AND ATTITUDE! It automatically takes people and countries out from under the protection of God. THAT puts people in open and un-protected territory where the devil WILL clobber them. The devil blames mankind for his losses because God loves us and the devil is envious of that love. The devil also wants to be above God because he esteemed and esteems himself as better and higher than God. THAT was his downfall and it is the downfall of people who think they know better.

 

(Note from author.)

BIBLICAL KEY:

"IF MY PEOPLE, WHICH ARE CALLED BY MY NAME, SHALL HUMBLETHEMSELVES, AND PRAY, AND SEEK MY FACE, AND TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS; THEN WILL I HEAR FROM HEAVEN, AND WILL FORGIVE THEIR SIN, AND WILL HEAL THEIR LAND." :-)2 Chronicles 7:14

 

THE Facebook THREAD CONTINUED:

 

Terry said: Noel, I am paying attention. Believe me I am. You said " Jesus used hard names against those who KNEW better" Don't you think Joel Osteen KNOWS better? Doesn't he know that a gay lifestyle is wrong and should speak against it, especially when he is asked a direct question?

 

(Bill Clade writes) Terry asks two excellent questions that lead into one of my oft used phrases - "The bottom line(s)". From a biblical (not "Christian") perspective the answer to the first question is a definitive yes; the answer to the second question is a qualified yes. What do I mean by a "qualified yes"? There is more than one answer to that question however, hence the phrase: "God doesn't call the qualified but qualifies the called". Paul was a "qualified" individual under the OldCovenant[CF.2 Tim.3:7a] but the LORD had to qualify Paul (and others) via a new covenant "System", an encounter (experience) with the Author of Paul's eventual "Faith" - aka THE TRUTH [CF.2 Tim.3:7b]. Jesus used other "Systems" to qualify Peter however, hence my distinction between "the Words of God" and "THE Word of God", the latter is Physical AND "Spiritual", while the former is primarily "Spiritual" with eventual physical evidence in both the old AND new covenants. Noel's teaching and perspective is based on Jeremiah 3:15 [cf. John 13:13-18] which can be defined as new covenant "Agape Love"as well as One of "God's Systems".  Thus this physical AND spiritual "Bottom Line" question, WHAT determines "That a gay lifestyle is wrong"? One primary example of a "System of God" as well as "Agape Love" can be found in John 8:1-11, however the "Whole Truth" is not found merely in the context of those verses; I state such from my experiences (encounters) and Revelation Knowledge and Wisdom. With regards to Joel Osteen and OTHERS of his ilk(kind), there is a warning to such in Jeremiah 2:8 that is still applicable for this day as well as a promise in Jeremiah 3:15. The choice is  theirs to make.  Thus once again, this physical AND spiritual "Bottom Line" question, WHAT - not WHO - determines "That a gay lifestyle is wrong"? The "WHO" bottom line is discovered in verse eleven in a 5 word statement. [Cf. Math. 5:17, Math. 7:12, with Luke 7:49]

 

(Noel writes) THIS COMMENT SHOWS A MORE COMPLETE TEACHING, LIKE THAT OF CHARLES STANLEY, AND IT HAS POSITIVE RESULTS IF PEOPLE TAKE IT INTO THEIR HEART:(Note: Bill Clade stuck to multiple verses that show God warns all of us as to the life style that results in blessings and the one that results in curses. Also, GOD WILLING be the final judge of all people and all things! The Bible verse about “tares” being turned into wheat shows God can deliver a gay person and give them a blessed “straight” life! I KNOW brethren who fit this FACT! Terry and those like him would have every preacher being led according to the will of man like those who wanted Peter to perform as such. Their attitude/spirit violates several verses and here are a couple that are to the point. Acts 5:29 KJV  “Then Peter and the other Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.” The five offices are parents of the children of God. Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 4:15 KJV“For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.” The next point to make this obvious is Ephesians 6:1 KJV“Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. ”THESE VERSES, AND MANY MORE, ARE IGNORED BY TERRY THACKER AND THOSE WHO ARE LIKE HIM AS WELL AS PREACHERS WHO ATTACK OTHER MINISTRIES AND MINISTERS RATHER THAN “RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF GOD”!THIS ENTIRE TEACHING AND ALL THE VERSES IN IT ARE BEING IGNORED BY THOSE WHO MAKE THE SAME ERRORS. THAT SAID, IT IS ALSO TRUE THAT ALL OF US PARENTS HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO BE A GOOD PARENT IN THE LORD. THIS IS AN AREA THAT COULD BE ANOTHER FULL CHAPTER.)

 

(Terry writes) If I were going to watch a TV evangelist which I am not, I would watch Charles Stanley, he seems much more like the real deal to me. Olsteen is just taking peoples money  & getting rich in the name of the lord,I don't like anything about him, he reminds me of a con man.

(Note: I ASK TERRY AND THOSE LIKE HIM, “WHAT IS THIS STATEMENT IF NOT JUDGMENT OF THE MAN WITH NO EVIDENCE FOR SO MUCH AS AN ACCUSATION?”)

 

MY ANSWER AND DIRECTION TO ALL IS FROM AND OF THE LORD:

I BELIEVE:

1. In regards to the TV interview when Joel was asked about the homosexual issues, Joel knows better or SHOULD know better but he erred. 'To error is human; to forgive divine’.

2. His error was due to spiritual attack, pro gay hosts seeking opportunity for argument, and TV public pressure with not enough time to "pray through" the way he should have done.

3. Because Joel is young and lacks experience in THAT situation number 2 above resulted in a blow against what God wants for HIS CHURCH AND CHILDREN as well as the message God wants gay people to hear.

4. WE ALL need to use what God has given IN A LOVING, WISE, AND STRONG way to reverse the curse. (Sly as the serpent and harmless as the dove.) This takes studies, prayer with much fasting, and experience!

5. WE ALL NEED TO BE complete in what we put out in accordance with my other posts AND this teaching.

6. I AGREE WITH 'the spirit and intent' of Terry Thacker and the whole of what Bill Clade wrote as well as the whole of what I have written and the good points made by others. For accuracy we must ask our Father in heaven and peacefully receive the answer WITH AGAPE’.

7. The whole of this entire discussion NOW makes a far more complete "picture" that portrays the 'spirit and intent' of the whole situation.(Note: This fact resulted in this full teaching.)

8. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO PRAY THAT JOEL WILL READ AND STAND ON THE TEACHING I AM TURNING THIS INTO; AND I WILL POST IT ON MY TIMELINE,

I AGAPE' LOVE EVERYBODY AND HATE WHAT GOD HATES. God BLESS the understanding of ALL readers!(Note: Before this teaching was fully DEVELOPED and POSTED, Joel Osteen already broadcast a teaching that is perfectly in keeping with what Bill Clade and I have been used by the Lord to put out to all believers and teachers in the Lord! It proves the error of others and the accuracy of what we put out in the Lord. Joel spoke about all the influences in the lives of the “Invisible But Invaluable”! Bill is posting it on my Facebook site.)

 

SPIRIT AND INTENT TEACHING PART TWO A:

 

At one time our government went by “spirit and intent” in and for the administration of all three branches of government. If the President of the United States, Executive Branch, wanted a law it would be written as a proposed law WITH a cover letter describing the ‘spirit and intent’ of the law proposed. This would go to the Legislative Branch of Government to be reviewed and furthered by the Senate and The House of Representatives whose members are referred to as Senators and Congressmen. They would work on what was then named a House Bill with a number like HB111 or a Senate Bill with a number like SB111.

 

When the bill was passed into law it was given a final cover letter describing the ‘spirit and intent’ of the law for the Judicial Branch to follow. IF parts of the law needed refined in order to accomplish the ‘spirit and intent’ legally; the courts would make decisions that would “set a precedent” to guide future rulings in and of that law. They would ONLY strike a portion of the law or the law IF it was deemed void because it violated the U. S. Constitution. IF that happened then what was stricken by the Judicial Branch would be sent back with comments so the Legislative and Executive Branches could re-work and correct what was wrong.

 

When things shifted to “the letter of the law” everything started “going to hell in a hand basket”!

The same ATTACK has crippled The Church and wonderful relationships with God through The Christ! It hasproduced “church” and “RELIGION” with a dead or dying spirit. Terry posted a sermon by a young preacher as backing for his statements about other preachers he did not like. Thisfollowing example is about THAT young preacher who was and is ‘right on’ for the most part but he goes off base and hurts the quality and effectiveness of the sermon. Terry, and others like him,fail to see the error of THEIR way; so God had me develop this teaching to help them and others get in and on the Right/RIGHTEOUS WAY OF JESUS THE CHRIST! It will prayerfully prevent others from getting off THERIGHTEOUS WAY and into the world!

 

The preacher was fine in pointing out where many well-known evangelist and TV ministries go astray. He erred at about 29 minutes and 30 seconds when he named Joel O'Steen and called him a false prophet. He erred again at about 34 minutes when he named Benny Hinn and called him a false prophet. HIS ERROR IS NOT IN SPEAKING OUT FOR THE RIGHT AND WRONGWAY TO MINISTER AND LIVE AS A MINISTER!HIS ERROR IS IN NAMING NAMES AND CALLING THEM FALSE PROPHETS; A JUDGMENT OF THE MAN! GOD DID NOT DIE AND APPOINT HIM OR ANY OTHER HUMAN AS JUDGE OF MANKIND!

 

THIS IS WHAT JESUS SAID IN THIS AREA OF ERROR;Mark 9:38-42 KJV

“[38] And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. [39] But Jesus said,Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. [40] For he that is not against us is on our part. [41] For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward. [42] And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea."

 

If this young preacher was going to "reprove" Pastors he needed to stick to referencing ALL who error WITHOUT offending the two named, and their followers!He should have continued with a great job he was doing in preaching the right way of doing the ministry, the wrong way of doing the ministry, what the wrong pastor does to the flock, and what the flock should get from a right pastor in right standing and doing the right job the right way. THEN WAIT ON THE LORD AND LET THE HOLY SPIRIT 'CONVICT' AND MOVE IN THE LIVES OF THOSE WHO ERROR!

 

Put God's word out, then wait on the Lord and renew your strength! GOD’S WORD DOES NOT RETURN VOID! God had me warn and give prophesies to three BIG tele-evangelists. One listened and got blessed. Two did not listen and they lost everything they had. ONE OF THEM REPENTED AND HAS A MINISTRY AGAIN, JUST NOT AS BIG AS BEFORE. I did not rail against them and it is ONLY mentioned here for the sake of teaching what is needed. NO names are named. At twenty-eight minutes the preacher mentioned one of the qualities of a true servant of God as being "peacemaker" then he suffered instant amnesia and declared war against his brothers WHO ARE FELLOW-SERVANTS OF A LIKE CALLING. He was also being attacked by a spirit of pride and self righteousness. THIS IS WHY we MUST check our self and motivation behind every word.

 

The young preacher Terry shared on the Facebook Thread scores points for almost everything except for naming fellow servants with insults and judgment, as well as one other minor area. His examples were off. At about forty to forty-five minutes he tells two stories. In the first one he sees a fourteen-year-old daughter visiting with worldly children and he runs to her home and blasts the Dad as a lousy father. He should have stopped to see what was going on. Maybe the girl was winning her friends to Christ. Maybe she was telling them about church and giving directions to them. Maybe she was on her way home and they stopped her trying to use peer pressure to influence her and she needed the help of the preacher. THINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS WHAT THEY APPEAR TO BE! In that story he judged her and reacted improperly. HE may have DRIVEN her straight into everything anti church!THE BIBLE LETS US KNOW WE MUST BE SLY AS A SERPENT BUT HARMLESS AS A DOVE!

 

In the second story told by this young preacher; he came to his boss looking messed up. He tells the boss he is late because he got hit by a logging truck doing 120 miles an hour. He says he would have to be crazy or a liar. I say God can make a person in that situation pass through the truck untouched AND OR God can raise and heal the dead after he was hit and killed. I have seen and experienced both! I would suggest these alterations to his example stories.

 

At about 53 minutes he tells the story of the young believer calling a man lost because he beat up the preacher, cursed, threatened, and more. When people told the young man not to judge the other as lost, this preacher "went crazy". The people were right and the preacher was wrong! The Bible instructs us to ‘pray for discernment, understanding of what is going on and what God our Father wants us to say and do’. YOU FIND THIS IF YOU STUDY AND TEACH ALL OF THE VERSES ABOUT THE SUBJECT AND DO IT IN THE CHARACTER AND LOVE OF GOD!

God taught me a valuable lesson. At the end of the lesson HE told me, "Judge NOT by physical appearance but judge righteous judgement", and HE gave me CLEAR pictures of understanding.

 

I once had a man point a loaded 357 at me and try to pull the trigger. I prayed for discernment and told him not to purpose to do it in his heart because God says 'touch not my anointed, do my prophet no harm' and I would live through it while he would be in grave danger of loosing his soul. He tried to pull the trigger twice and the pistol would not fire. An hour later he was calling me his Pastor after I went to the Emergency Room and prayed for him; resulting in Michael Burchak no longer being in critical condition after an auto accident.There is an entire testimony that will be in another teaching or book. Just KNOW the FACT that I would be dead if I had seen and judged by physical appearance or had selfish motives like ‘I will be famous when this gets out’! It was NOT about me or Michael! IT WAS ALL ABOUT JESUS THE CHRIST! IT STILL IS ABOUT JESUS!

 

In the accident Michael was running from the scene and the call of God on his life. Driving down the Klamath River road, and headed for Yreka with the driver window open, he suddenly found himself waking from unconsciousness and in the river. An investigation of the accident found an eagle with a six foot wing span dove down and through the open window.The eagle hit Michael in the head and knocked him out. After I prayed for Michael and the doctor found exactly what I told her she would find after prayer; Michael was discharged but the news was in print and the people who sent Michael almost fell out of their chair when he walked into the restaurant. He was listed “in critical condition at Yreka Hospitol”. Michael told them the testimony.

 

Michael was soon singing beautiful songs to and for the Lord. He would sing words of knowledge and prophetic words that changed lives. When I went to places where drug cartel people killed all who entered; their bosses grabbed the enforcers and shouted “NOBODY TOUCHES THIS MAN! HE IS FOR REAL! HE PRAYS AND GOD ANSWERS!” They would then start asking me questions and I was named “God’s Narc” and referred to as “The God Squad”. When the latter term was used I told them I was glad they finally realized I am NEVER alone. Jesus said go forth so I am fourth. We are always Father, Son, Holy Spirit, then me.” They responded, “THAT’S why you are always saying ‘we’!” I told them they were correct. I AM NEVER “I”: I AM ALWAYS WE.” It was also a ‘play’ on who and what God is IN me! Think about it and when you get the picture, you ARE growing!

 

 The young man, in the story about the preacher and people,was called lost but may have needed to get set free. Maybe he was oppressed so severely that he appeared to be possessed. The people were right. Do not judge somebody as lost. Ask God what their condition is and what you are supposed to say and do. Do NOT have a form of Godliness and deny His power! THAT IS ‘THORNY FLESH’ WHEN A PERSON DOES THAT.

 

He mentioned the verse in which Jesus told the people you cannot harvest grapes from thorns. I KNOW the verse ties into Paul talking about 'the thorn in his flesh' AND in the Greek, Hebrew, and Yiddish it is CLEAR that he refers to the flesh as being a thorn to him the spirit man. When our young preacher got into his flesh he was trying to harvest grapes while being a thorn. IF a person wants to stay in the flesh you are not to “cast your pearls before swine” by trying to harvest grapes from thorns.

 


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